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Interesting blog posts about switching from Vim to emacs
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Juhapekka Tolvanen
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:27 pm    Post subject: Interesting blog posts about switching from Vim to emacs Reply with quote
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http://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2008/10/from_Vim_to_Emacs_-_part_1/

http://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2008/11/from_Vim_to_Emacs_-_part_2/

This is very interesting. I use both Vim and emacs. For all real
programming and markup languages emacs beats Vim 666-0. In most cases
there is some wonderful elisp-package for that certain language I am
editing. Vim has has its own scripts and plugins for many languages, but
they are not as full-featured as Elisp-packages of emacs for that same
language.

But I think Vim feels more comfortable when doing these things:

- shell scripting
- lightweight markup-languages
- E-Mail
- configuration files
- human languages


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Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv
"ore wo mitsumeteiru anata sama wa ossharu bakari. kesshite dakiyosete wa
kurenai ooki na anata no te. ore no tanjoubi ni wa ai wo kai ataeru. kyou wa
kumori nochi ame." Dir en grey
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Tassilo Horn
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:43 am    Post subject: Re: Interesting blog posts about switching from Vim to emacs Reply with quote
Juhapekka Tolvanen
<SNAFU.juhtolv.POW@MIA.iki.RIP.fi.FUBAR.example.com.invalid> writes:

Hi Juhapekka,

Quote:
But I think Vim feels more comfortable when doing these things:

- shell scripting
- lightweight markup-languages
- E-Mail

Since when does Vim have an email client?

Quote:
- configuration files

I think here you see the main advantage of Vim in its fast startup time.
But with newer emacsen (especially with 23, which is not released, yet)
you'd use emacs as server and connect to it using the emacsclient
program. Then, there's no startup time at all.

Gentoo GNU/Linux now actually includes some rc-scripts which let you
start emacs as system service, using start-stop-servic and pidfile in
/var/run/. ;-)

Bye,
Tassilo
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Conrad Lender
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Re: Interesting blog posts about switching from Vim to emacs Reply with quote
On 2008-11-16 20:43, Tassilo Horn wrote:
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- E-Mail

Since when does Vim have an email client?

Vim can be configured as editor for an email client.


- Conrad
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Greg Menke
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: Interesting blog posts about switching from Vim to emacs Reply with quote
Heretic! Somebody get the matches, I have oil and kindling around here
someplace...



Juhapekka Tolvanen <SNAFU.juhtolv.POW@MIA.iki.RIP.fi.FUBAR.example.com.invalid> writes:
Quote:
Followup-To: comp.editors


http://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2008/10/from_Vim_to_Emacs_-_part_1/

http://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2008/11/from_Vim_to_Emacs_-_part_2/

This is very interesting. I use both Vim and emacs. For all real
programming and markup languages emacs beats Vim 666-0. In most cases
there is some wonderful elisp-package for that certain language I am
editing. Vim has has its own scripts and plugins for many languages, but
they are not as full-featured as Elisp-packages of emacs for that same
language.

But I think Vim feels more comfortable when doing these things:

- shell scripting
- lightweight markup-languages
- E-Mail
- configuration files
- human languages


--
Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv
"ore wo mitsumeteiru anata sama wa ossharu bakari. kesshite dakiyosete wa
kurenai ooki na anata no te. ore no tanjoubi ni wa ai wo kai ataeru. kyou wa
kumori nochi ame." Dir en grey
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Bart van Deenen
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Re: Interesting blog posts about switching from Vim to emacs Reply with quote
To me it seems simple.

Those who are fast 10 finger typists prefer vi(m). All the ctrl-alt-meta-shift whatever keys are just hard to reach quickly.

Those who type fairly slowly and are looking at the keyboard prefer Emacs.

Bart
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Juhapekka Tolvanen
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: Interesting blog posts about switching from Vim to emacs Reply with quote
Tassilo Horn <thorn@fastmail.fm> writes:

Quote:
Juhapekka Tolvanen
SNAFU.juhtolv.POW@MIA.iki.RIP.fi.FUBAR.example.com.invalid> writes:

But I think Vim feels more comfortable when doing these things:

- shell scripting
- lightweight markup-languages
- E-Mail

Since when does Vim have an email client?

I mean I use it as editor in MUA called "mutt".

Quote:
- configuration files

I think here you see the main advantage of Vim in its fast startup time.
But with newer emacsen (especially with 23, which is not released, yet)
you'd use emacs as server and connect to it using the emacsclient
program. Then, there's no startup time at all.

I know. But it is not very practical, if you want to do something like
this:

1) Emacs-server runs under screen in text-mode.

2) In X Window System you open text file to that emacs server so that it
opens new graphical window in X Window System.

I know about this:

http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MultiTTYSupport
http://lorentey.hu/project/emacs.html.en

But right now it is only in CVS, not in stable version of emacs.


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Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv
"ore wo mitsumeteiru anata sama wa ossharu bakari. kesshite dakiyosete wa
kurenai ooki na anata no te. ore no tanjoubi ni wa ai wo kai ataeru. kyou wa
kumori nochi ame." Dir en grey
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Juhapekka Tolvanen
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Interesting blog posts about switching from Vim to emacs Reply with quote
Bart van Deenen <bart@at.vandeenensupport.punt.com.invalid> writes:

Quote:
To me it seems simple.

Those who are fast 10 finger typists prefer vi(m). All the
ctrl-alt-meta-shift whatever keys are just hard to reach quickly.

Those who type fairly slowly and are looking at the keyboard prefer
Emacs.

Maybe.

On the other hand under emacs you can use vi-emulation called "VIPER"
and some additional Vim-emulation called "vimpulse". I tried VIPER once,
but ther was just one bad problem: When I tried to mark some region,
that marking disappeared very easily.


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Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv
"ore wo mitsumeteiru anata sama wa ossharu bakari. kesshite dakiyosete wa
kurenai ooki na anata no te. ore no tanjoubi ni wa ai wo kai ataeru. kyou wa
kumori nochi ame." Dir en grey
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