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Alvin Ryder
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 Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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HI Guys,
A few years ago this was a pretty active NG, it seems to be rather
quiet now and I seriously wonder why?
Is it because:
a. Uncle Bob rarely visits?
b. No one programs in English speaking countries anymore?
c. No one uses OOP much anymore?
d. Everyone moved to a funkier group? If so which one?
I don't have any real clue what do you guys think (erh, if anyone sees
this)?
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Alvin Ryder
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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On Sep 10, 3:46 pm, "Leslie Sanford" <jabberdab...@bitemehotmail.com>
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| Quote: | "Alvin Ryder" wrote:
HI Guys,
A few years ago this was a pretty active NG, it seems to be rather
quiet now and I seriously wonder why?
Is it because:
a. Uncle Bob rarely visits?
b. No one programs in English speaking countries anymore?
c. No one uses OOP much anymore?
d. Everyone moved to a funkier group? If so which one?
I don't have any real clue what do you guys think (erh, if anyone sees
this)?
Usenet in general has been on the decline for the past several years,
probably because of the rise of Web based forums. I think that's part of it.
In addition, some/many of the regulars seemed to have moved on. Also, and
this is nothing personal, I would contend that the activity of this group
over the past 8 years has been somewhat artificially inflated due to
topmind's involvment. If you do searches on this group regarding a variety
of topics, you'll run across many monster threads circa 5 or 6 years ago
involving the regs and topmind. As far as OOP in general, maybe it's reached
the point in which every thing that can be said has been said.
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Thanks Leslie, I appreciate your reply. I'll keep pondering ... |
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Leslie Sanford
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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"Alvin Ryder" wrote:
| Quote: | HI Guys,
A few years ago this was a pretty active NG, it seems to be rather
quiet now and I seriously wonder why?
Is it because:
a. Uncle Bob rarely visits?
b. No one programs in English speaking countries anymore?
c. No one uses OOP much anymore?
d. Everyone moved to a funkier group? If so which one?
I don't have any real clue what do you guys think (erh, if anyone sees
this)?
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Usenet in general has been on the decline for the past several years,
probably because of the rise of Web based forums. I think that's part of it.
In addition, some/many of the regulars seemed to have moved on. Also, and
this is nothing personal, I would contend that the activity of this group
over the past 8 years has been somewhat artificially inflated due to
topmind's involvment. If you do searches on this group regarding a variety
of topics, you'll run across many monster threads circa 5 or 6 years ago
involving the regs and topmind. As far as OOP in general, maybe it's reached
the point in which every thing that can be said has been said. |
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Phlip
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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Alvin Ryder wrote:
| Quote: | a. Uncle Bob rarely visits?
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Who??
| Quote: | b. No one programs in English speaking countries anymore?
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Don't play the victim. Everyone programs in English.
| Quote: | c. No one uses OOP much anymore?
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Quite the contrary - OOP is taken for granted in most industries. When we are
this far over the adoption curve, nobody needs to ask all the newb questions
anymore.
Also, mentioning XP does not cause several weeks of screaming anymore, for some
strange reason...
| Quote: | d. Everyone moved to a funkier group? If so which one?
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USENET itself is in a decline, compared to website forums & blogs with custom
access controls.
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Daniel T.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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"Leslie Sanford" <jabberdabber@bitemehotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Alvin Ryder" wrote:
A few years ago this was a pretty active NG, it seems to be rather
quiet now and I seriously wonder why?
Is it because:
a. Uncle Bob rarely visits?
b. No one programs in English speaking countries anymore?
c. No one uses OOP much anymore?
d. Everyone moved to a funkier group? If so which one?
I don't have any real clue what do you guys think (erh, if anyone sees
this)?
Usenet in general has been on the decline for the past several years,
probably because of the rise of Web based forums. I think that's part of it.
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Sadly. Blogs seem to be taking usenets place.
| Quote: | In addition, some/many of the regulars seemed to have moved on. Also, and
this is nothing personal, I would contend that the activity of this group
over the past 8 years has been somewhat artificially inflated due to
topmind's involvment. If you do searches on this group regarding a variety
of topics, you'll run across many monster threads circa 5 or 6 years ago
involving the regs and topmind. As far as OOP in general, maybe it's reached
the point in which every thing that can be said has been said.
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Agreed on the later point. OO seems to have reached some sort of
saturation point. The time is getting ripe for the "next big thing", but
it seems that thing still hasn't shown its face. |
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H. S. Lahman
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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Responding to Ryder...
| Quote: | A few years ago this was a pretty active NG, it seems to be rather
quiet now and I seriously wonder why?
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I agree with Sanford. I would add that a surprising number of developers
today don't even know that USENET exists.
However, I would also add the militant proselytizing of the OOP-based
agile crowd. That definitely killed the old OTUG forum Rational ran --
which was busier than comp.object once upon a time -- and I think it
contributed here as well.
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blog: http://pathfinderpeople.blogs.com/hslahman
"Model-Based Translation: The Next Step in Agile Development". Email
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Phlip
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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Daniel T. wrote:
| Quote: | Agreed on the later point. OO seems to have reached some sort of
saturation point. The time is getting ripe for the "next big thing", but
it seems that thing still hasn't shown its face.
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Besides BDD, right?
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Patrick May
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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"Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> writes:
| Quote: | "Leslie Sanford" <jabberdabber@bitemehotmail.com> wrote:
As far as OOP in general, maybe it's reached the point in which
every thing that can be said has been said.
Agreed on the later point. OO seems to have reached some sort of
saturation point. The time is getting ripe for the "next big thing",
but it seems that thing still hasn't shown its face.
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The next big thing is the first big thing. Come on over to
comp.lang.lisp.
Ha, ha, only serious,
Patrick
PS: Okay, maybe that whole distributed computing / grid / cloud thing
is a little interesting, too.
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S P Engineering, Inc. | Large scale, mission-critical, distributed OO
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pjm@spe.com | (C++, Java, Common Lisp, Jini, middleware, SOA) |
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S Perryman
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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"H. S. Lahman" <hsl@pathfindermda.com> wrote in message
news:cwQxk.781$Dj1.577@trnddc02...
| Quote: | I agree with Sanford. I would add that a surprising number of developers
today don't even know that USENET exists.
However, I would also add the militant proselytizing of the OOP-based
agile crowd. That definitely killed the old OTUG forum Rational ran --
which was busier than comp.object once upon a time -- and I think it
contributed here as well.
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Contributed how ??
I doubt said "crowd" drove anyone away en-masse from the comp.* groups.
OTOH, a lot of them certainly seemed to exit stage left when their claims
were challenged sufficiently often (like giving it but not taking it etc) .
Regards,
Steven Perryman |
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Lee Riemenschneider
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:11:01 UTC, "Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net>
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| Quote: | Sadly. Blogs seem to be taking usenets place.
That's because you control the blog, and in your own blog, you're |
always right. :-D
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Lee W. Riemenschneider
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Lee Riemenschneider
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:53:27 UTC, "S Perryman" <a@a.net> wrote:
| Quote: | OTOH, a lot of them certainly seemed to exit stage left when their claims
were challenged sufficiently often (like giving it but not taking it etc) .
Now we're back to finding refuge in blogs.  |
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Buy eCS everyone! Buy it now! http://www.ecomstation.com |
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S Perryman
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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"Lee Riemenschneider" <newsuser@frogooa.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:53:27 UTC, "S Perryman" <a@a.net> wrote:
OTOH, a lot of them certainly seemed to exit stage left when their claims
were challenged sufficiently often (like giving it but not taking it etc)
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Now we're back to finding refuge in blogs.
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AFAIK, the refuge is nowadays found in "groups" , where "like-minded" people
can "participate" . Of course, the "control" of which you wrote, will
undoubtedly
be in effect.
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H. S. Lahman
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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Responding to Perryman...
| Quote: | However, I would also add the militant proselytizing of the OOP-based
agile crowd. That definitely killed the old OTUG forum Rational ran --
which was busier than comp.object once upon a time -- and I think it
contributed here as well.
Contributed how ??
I doubt said "crowd" drove anyone away en-masse from the comp.* groups.
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Bandwidth. Not too long ago this group generated ~100 messages a day,
which takes awhile to sort through. When a lot of those messages are
about advocating a particular development process and have little to do
with the thread subject matter, people decide they just don't have time
to sort through it all. [On OTUG people were quite specific about why
they were quitting and there was no equivalent of Topmind pulling
people's chains. The agile crowd learned from that and aren't as
obnoxious here, but the basic bandwidth problem remains.]
When the fraction of that 100 messages/day that are feeding the P/R
troll or are about OOP-based agile advocacy approach 50% or so, the
useful information content of the forum becomes greatly diminished and
it ceases to be worth the trouble to sort it out. (Putting people in
kill files doesn't work well because occasionally they have something
useful to say and it also trashes the context of the messages responding
to them.)
--
There is nothing wrong with me that could
not be cured by a capful of Drano.
H. S. Lahman
hsl@pathfindermda.com
Pathfinder Solutions
http://www.pathfindermda.com
blog: http://pathfinderpeople.blogs.com/hslahman
"Model-Based Translation: The Next Step in Agile Development". Email
info@pathfindermda.com for your copy.
Pathfinder is hiring:
http://www.pathfindermda.com/about_us/careers_pos3.php.
(888)OOA-PATH |
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topmind
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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On Sep 11, 10:44 am, "H. S. Lahman" <h...@pathfindermda.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Responding to Perryman...
However, I would also add the militant proselytizing of the OOP-based
agile crowd. That definitely killed the old OTUG forum Rational ran --
which was busier than comp.object once upon a time -- and I think it
contributed here as well.
Contributed how ??
I doubt said "crowd" drove anyone away en-masse from the comp.* groups.
Bandwidth. Not too long ago this group generated ~100 messages a day,
which takes awhile to sort through. When a lot of those messages are
about advocating a particular development process and have little to do
with the thread subject matter, people decide they just don't have time
to sort through it all. [On OTUG people were quite specific about why
they were quitting and there was no equivalent of Topmind pulling
people's chains. The agile crowd learned from that and aren't as
obnoxious here, but the basic bandwidth problem remains.]
When the fraction of that 100 messages/day that are feeding the P/R
troll or are about OOP-based agile advocacy approach 50% or so, the
useful information content of the forum becomes greatly diminished and
it ceases to be worth the trouble to sort it out. (Putting people in
kill files doesn't work well because occasionally they have something
useful to say and it also trashes the context of the messages responding
to them.)
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*Spam* is the major reason in my opinion. If the proportion of
controversy reached a high enough volume, then this topic would be
forked off into comp.object.advocacy or the like.
A secondary reason is wiki's and web-based discussion groups, as
others have mentioned.
A third reason is that the next generation often doesn't know about
usenet. It's faded as mentioned resource.
[....]
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Mark Nicholls
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: Re: OOP, this NG and you. Where is everyone? |
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On 10 Sep, 05:03, Alvin Ryder <alvin...@telstra.com> wrote:
| Quote: | HI Guys,
A few years ago this was a pretty active NG, it seems to be rather
quiet now and I seriously wonder why?
Is it because:
a. Uncle Bob rarely visits?
b. No one programs in English speaking countries anymore?
c. No one uses OOP much anymore?
d. Everyone moved to a funkier group? If so which one?
I don't have any real clue what do you guys think (erh, if anyone sees
this)?
Cheers
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I've learnt more from this NG about software development than any
other single source, but after a while people just sit in the same old
entrenched position (myself probably included), noone ever admits to
having learnt anything new, or being wrong, so it fails to become a
positive experience, it's just another endless avalanche of ranting
and nay saying....(myself probably included). |
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