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Tim Tyler
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 Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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"6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth"
- http://blogs.spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/2008/10/15/world_robot_population_reaches_6_and_half_million.html
The human population is around 6.7 billion - we outnumber the robots 1000-1.
The projection given is 18 million robots by 2011.
The robot population is projected to triple in three years.
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J.A. Legris
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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On Nov 8, 7:50 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth"
-http://blogs.spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/2008/10/15/world_robot_popul...
The human population is around 6.7 billion - we outnumber the robots 1000-1.
The projection given is 18 million robots by 2011.
The robot population is projected to triple in three years.
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You failed to mention the billions of dishwashers, cd changers, and
sushi conveyors. What's your point?
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Don Stockbauer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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On Nov 8, 7:25 am, "J.A. Legris" <jaleg...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 8, 7:50 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
"6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth"
-http://blogs.spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/2008/10/15/world_robot_popul...
The human population is around 6.7 billion - we outnumber the robots 1000-1.
The projection given is 18 million robots by 2011.
The robot population is projected to triple in three years.
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You failed to mention the billions of dishwashers, cd changers, and
sushi conveyors. What's your point?
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6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth.
Your subject tline equates humans and robots.
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Don Stockbauer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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On Nov 8, 7:39 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Don Stockbauer wrote:
6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth.
Your subject tline equates humans and robots.
No, it doesn't - read it through again.
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I misread "Million" for "Billion" - sorry.
But you know - it may be possible that to get a robot with human
capabilities you would have to go the hard route - create one with a
100,000,000,000 "neuron" brain and train it as a human is trained from
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Tim Tyler
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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J.A. Legris wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 8, 7:50 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
"6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth"
-http://blogs.spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/2008/10/15/world_robot_popul...
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| Quote: | You failed to mention the billions of dishwashers, cd changers, and
sushi conveyors.
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Not robots - according to common definitions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot
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Tim Tyler
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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Don Stockbauer wrote:
| Quote: | 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth.
Your subject tline equates humans and robots.
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No, it doesn't - read it through again.
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J.A. Legris
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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On Nov 8, 8:38 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | J.A. Legris wrote:
On Nov 8, 7:50 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
"6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth"
-http://blogs.spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/2008/10/15/world_robot_popul...
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You failed to mention the billions of dishwashers, cd changers, and
sushi conveyors.
Not robots - according to common definitions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot:
"There is no consensus on which machines qualify as robots, but there
is general agreement among experts and the public that robots tend to
do some or all of the following: move around, operate a mechanical
arm, sense and manipulate their environment, and exhibit intelligent
behavior, especially behavior which mimics humans or animals."
My microcomputer-bearing appliances sense and manipulate their
respective umwelten rather effectively, so they seem qualify as
robots. They even mimic humans. Try to get your dog to change a CD,
wash dishes or deliver a sushi without nibbling.
Again, what's your point?
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Tim Tyler
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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J.A. Legris wrote:
| Quote: | My microcomputer-bearing appliances sense and manipulate their
respective umwelten rather effectively, so they seem qualify as
robots. They even mimic humans. Try to get your dog to change a CD,
wash dishes or deliver a sushi without nibbling.
Again, what's your point?
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Try line 1:
``A robot is a mechanical or virtual artificial agent. In practice, it
is usually an electro-mechanical system which, by its appearance or
movements, conveys a sense that it has intent or agency of its own.''
....and see this bit:
``It appears to have intent or agency.
The last property, the appearance of agency, is important when people
are considering whether to call a machine a robot, or just a machine.''
Your examples: "dishwashers, cd changers, and sushi conveyors"
are normally classified as being machines - not robots.
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Alpha
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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On Nov 9, 1:10 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | J.A. Legris wrote:
My microcomputer-bearing appliances sense and manipulate their
respective umwelten rather effectively, so they seem qualify as
robots. They even mimic humans. Try to get your dog to change a CD,
wash dishes or deliver a sushi without nibbling.
Again, what's your point?
Try line 1:
``A robot is a mechanical or virtual artificial agent. In practice, it
is usually an electro-mechanical system which, by its appearance or
movements, conveys a sense that it has intent or agency of its own..''
...and see this bit:
``It appears to have intent or agency.
The last property, the appearance of agency, is important when people
are considering whether to call a machine a robot, or just a machine.''
Your examples: "dishwashers, cd changers, and sushi conveyors"
are normally classified as being machines - not robots.
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A robot has the appearenace of just as much intent or agency as a
washing machine has the appearance of intent or agency on washing my
clothes. |
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Alpha
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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On Nov 9, 1:51 pm, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Alpha wrote:
On Nov 9, 1:10 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
``A robot is a mechanical or virtual artificial agent. In practice, it
is usually an electro-mechanical system which, by its appearance or
movements, conveys a sense that it has intent or agency of its own.''
...and see this bit:
``It appears to have intent or agency.
The last property, the appearance of agency, is important when people
are considering whether to call a machine a robot, or just a machine.''
Your examples: "dishwashers, cd changers, and sushi conveyors"
are normally classified as being machines - not robots.
A robot has the appearenace of just as much intent or agency as a
washing machine has the appearance of intent or agency on washing my
clothes.
I'm exhausted here - if you want to know more about why they don't count
devices such as automobiles and washing machines, you'll have to take it
up with the International Federation of Robotics statistics department:
http://www.worldrobotics.org/downloads/2008_Pressinfo_english.pdf
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I could not care less about statistics etc. or what their claims are,
it is not germaine to my point about agency/intent attribution.
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Tim Tyler
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:51 am Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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Alpha wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 9, 1:10 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
``A robot is a mechanical or virtual artificial agent. In practice, it
is usually an electro-mechanical system which, by its appearance or
movements, conveys a sense that it has intent or agency of its own.''
...and see this bit:
``It appears to have intent or agency.
The last property, the appearance of agency, is important when people
are considering whether to call a machine a robot, or just a machine.''
Your examples: "dishwashers, cd changers, and sushi conveyors"
are normally classified as being machines - not robots.
A robot has the appearenace of just as much intent or agency as a
washing machine has the appearance of intent or agency on washing my
clothes.
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I'm exhausted here - if you want to know more about why they don't count
devices such as automobiles and washing machines, you'll have to take it
up with the International Federation of Robotics statistics department:
http://www.worldrobotics.org/downloads/2008_Pressinfo_english.pdf
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J.A. Legris
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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On Nov 9, 2:59 pm, Alpha <omegazero2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 9, 1:10 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
J.A. Legris wrote:
My microcomputer-bearing appliances sense and manipulate their
respective umwelten rather effectively, so they seem qualify as
robots. They even mimic humans. Try to get your dog to change a CD,
wash dishes or deliver a sushi without nibbling.
Again, what's your point?
Try line 1:
``A robot is a mechanical or virtual artificial agent. In practice, it
is usually an electro-mechanical system which, by its appearance or
movements, conveys a sense that it has intent or agency of its own.''
...and see this bit:
``It appears to have intent or agency.
The last property, the appearance of agency, is important when people
are considering whether to call a machine a robot, or just a machine.''
Your examples: "dishwashers, cd changers, and sushi conveyors"
are normally classified as being machines - not robots.
A robot has the appearenace of just as much intent or agency as a
washing machine has the appearance of intent or agency on washing my
clothes.
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There's also the lowly bacterium: oozing apparent agency and self-rep,
nano-tech to boot. Xillions of them at last count.
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Tim Tyler
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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J.A. Legris wrote:
| Quote: | There's also the lowly bacterium: oozing apparent agency and self-rep,
nano-tech to boot. Xillions of them at last count.
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Also not robots. See the first sentence:
``A robot is a mechanical or virtual artificial agent.''
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot
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Alpha
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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On Nov 11, 1:07 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | J.A. Legris wrote:
There's also the lowly bacterium: oozing apparent agency and self-rep,
nano-tech to boot. Xillions of them at last count.
Also not robots. See the first sentence:
``A robot is a mechanical or virtual artificial agent.''
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Which fits the functionality of a (modern) washing machine under
programmatic control just as much as a mechanical device under some
type of programmatic control that welds parts together on an auto-
assembly line (which is called a robot!) and so forth.
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-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot
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J.A. Legris
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: 6.5 Million Robots Now Inhabit the Earth |
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On Nov 11, 3:07 am, Tim Tyler <seemy...@googlemail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | J.A. Legris wrote:
There's also the lowly bacterium: oozing apparent agency and self-rep,
nano-tech to boot. Xillions of them at last count.
Also not robots. See the first sentence:
``A robot is a mechanical or virtual artificial agent.''
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot
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Here's a good definition of robot:
"any machine or mechanical device that operates automatically with
human-like skill" (Random House Webster's)
"Agency" and "intent" are unnecessary - they muddify the real issues,
encouraging characterization such as, "The more the control system
seems to have agency of its own, the more likely the machine is to be
called a robot" (from the Wikipedia article). And, I might ad, the
more likely it is that the prospect of 18 million robots would be
considered a newsworthy event to anyone except the people who
manufacture them.
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